Past Lives Cafe
Fascinating true stories of past life experiences that illuminate, reveal and heal.
Past Lives Cafe
A Musician's Journey into the Unknown
The divide between scientific skepticism and spiritual exploration represents one of humanity's most fascinating frontiers. When Greg Ormont, the charismatic frontman of jam band sensation Pigeons Playing Ping Pong, sits down to discuss his journey across this divide, something extraordinary unfolds.
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Greg arrives at our conversation as a self-described "evidence-based" person; someone who built his worldview on observable facts and rational explanations. Through a remarkable series of experiences—beginning with his wife's undeniable intuitive abilities and culminating in his own past life regression—his perspective underwent a profound transformation.
"I've always been like a very science-based, evidence-based mind," Greg explains, "and my mind so quickly tries to safeguard me." This protection mechanism, designed to shield us from uncertainty, often prevents us from exploring realms beyond our comfortable understanding. For Greg, the gateway to broader possibilities came through Dr. Brian Weis' work on past life regression—particularly compelling because Weis himself began as a skeptical psychiatrist before his evidence led him elsewhere.
What makes Greg's story so compelling is his ability to hold two seemingly contradictory perspectives simultaneously. During his regression, he experienced life as an orphaned child in what appeared to be 19th century London while maintaining full awareness of his present self. This dual consciousness allowed him to observe both the experience and his reactions to it, noting with surprise how his speech patterns shifted to match the child he was embodying.
The past life Greg accessed wasn't glorious or heroic—it was filled with abandonment, grief, and ultimately starvation. This unexpected narrative actually strengthened his belief in the experience's authenticity. "Why would I make that up for myself?" he questions, recognizing that imagination typically gravitates toward more positive scenarios.
For musicians and creative people, Greg suggests there's a natural bridge to spiritual exploration through the flow state experienced during performance. "When you reach a flow state, the energy going back and forth between band members and fans—I have experienced it plenty," he reflects. "There's just an energy out there and you don't need to explain away everything."
Whether you're a steadfast skeptic or deeply spiritual, Greg's journey offers valuable perspective on how we might expand our understanding without abandoning critical thinking. His willingness to remain open while questioning everything models a balanced approach to life's greatest mysteries. How might your perspective shift if you allowed yourself the same freedom to explore?
References
Pigeons Playing Ping Pong - Official Website
Dr. Brian Weis, author and hypnotherapist - Official Website
Dolores Cannon, author and founder of QHHT - Dolores Cannon Official Website
Important Information
Past Lives Cafe is intended to bring you uninterrupted glimpses into others' past life experiences. Some have regressed in a group setting or individually in their dreams, as part of a tribal ceremony, through a guided meditation, with a certified regressionist or QHHT practitioner. Please contact Chione@QuantumJourneyGo.com with any questions about this modality or to share your own experiences on the podcast.
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Welcome to the Past Lives Cafe. I am your host, keone, an intuitive energy worker and acclaimed past life regressionist. Come with me as we journey through the spiral of time to forgotten places. I am super happy today to be joined by Greg Ormont, singer, guitarist and one of the charismatic forces behind the high-energy genre-blending band Pigeons Playing Ping-Pong. Known for his vibrant stage presence and infectious positivity, greg has helped to lead the band to become a staple in the jam and festival scene. You can catch Greg on tour by visiting pigeonsplayingpingpongcom. Hello, my friend, I am so happy to see you and I'm wondering how you and your beautiful family are doing.
Speaker 2:We are great. It's so good to see you. We've ever since our regression, you know you come up maybe every two days in the house. We think about you all the time and the family's doing great. My kids are five and two, which as boy it happens quickly, and that phrase like the longest days in the shortest years has never been more true. With these kids it's an absolute blast. Thank you for having me. This is awesome.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I met his family all in one fell swoop. I got that sense as I was walking up the stairs, like I like this place, it just felt warm and you guys were easy to talk to and your kids were beautiful and the animals were beautiful. So I don't know if I told you that, but that's how I felt.
Speaker 2:Credit goes to my amazing wife for the warm, homey vibe that she has so beautifully curated, curated. We likewise felt very comfortable with you and, as I'm sure we'll get into, I am someone who is more new to this side of thinking and I've always been like a very science-based, evidence-based mind and my mind so quickly like tries to safeguard me. I feel like I've known Leslie forever. After we had that meeting Well, you know it was intimate, we talked about intimate things and it's very hard for me to turn that part of my brain off that's trying to justify things with objective answers. When, in truth, we felt a connection with you, you felt a connection with us and that's beautiful, no matter how you describe it.
Speaker 1:I agree 100%, and one of the things that was on our side for having that connection was the length of time that we spent. One of the things you said when I walked in the house as you opened the door, of course, was you're incredibly prompt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well you were.
Speaker 1:I pulled in at one minute out.
Speaker 2:I'm in a band, so you know, believe it or not, us band guys are not the most punctual at times. So when someone could stay on time I'm like. Also, don't sell yourself short. I mean, you're, you are from Delaware, I'm in Baltimore, the traffic be damned. You are right on the button, I was impressed. She's coming from far, who knows. Traffic be damned. You were right on the button, I was impressed.
Speaker 1:She's coming from far who knows, Right at 1159. Yep Pulled up. You said something. That actually brings me to the first question, which is and you had shared this as we were talking in the very beginning before we did the regression which is that you are a very science-based, evidentiary type of guy and you had just recently started looking at past lives and hypnosis, I believe, through reading some of Dr Brian Wise's things, and so I wondered what had prompted you to start that investigation. I know your wife is a lot like me, so we're kind of super spiritual with that, but it's a leap for someone with your background and bias to jump into a past life regression with someone especially. You have no idea who I am.
Speaker 2:It was a leap, for sure. It's a good way of putting it. But you know, I've been with my wife for 10 years, married for coming on seven. You're right, she is more on the spiritual side, to put it lightly. She's fancies herself kind of like, more in the witch side of things. She's been in tune with things that I am not, and early in our relationship my strong science bias, you know, was skeptical of it. But as a good at the time boyfriend or husband like I, you know, I'm not going to be against it, like, yeah, sure, you know you're feeling this way, that's wonderful, that's cool, you're into this type of stuff, I'm supportive.
Speaker 2:And then, as time went on, it started to become harder to ignore the things that she would be tapped into, as simple as things that I would write off as coincidence. But when it happens over and over again, is it coincidence? She has a dream about a random person from her past that she hasn't spoken to in 10 years, and the next day they text her out of the blue. That actually happened with you and her, because we talk about our experience with you and how wonderful you are, we got to have the whole team over for dinner, et cetera. I don't know what happened, but I think you messaged Becca like right after we were talking about you and the way that you messaged her, she can talk to you about it. But it was almost as if you were picking up a conversation that was already happening, as opposed to the hey, it's been a while. It was like right back to where we were kind of thinking already and these coincidences started to build up.
Speaker 2:One that really continued to open my mind and dropping my guard to it all was we were in Charleston and we did a ghost tour through Charleston, south Carolina, which was super cool, and I'm just like in the carriage looking around and there's a horse in front of me. I'm checking that guy out, and we go to one of these cemeteries and they're telling the story and I'm looking at it and Becca takes out her phone and she tells me in hindsight that she got a huge chill goose pimples and all of that. The street lamp went out and she took a photo and I'm just like do-do-do-do-do, like looking around and she's like I got this wave of something. And we look back on the photo and there is an aberration in the photo and again my safeguarded evidence-based mind immediately goes ah, that's just the camera lens and a smudge and the light and the yada yada. But that's just one of countless oddities that would occur that she seemed on a different wavelength than I was and, without consciously, just really started to become more open to. There's something going on here with what she's tapped into, because all of the anecdotal evidence is adding up.
Speaker 2:She'd started to practice Reiki, which, to be honest, is something I thought was like snake oil medicine. I did not believe in it at all and she needed to practice to get her certifications. And I went in with honest, open intentions and it felt like she had a lighter one centimeter from my forehead. My forehead was on fire, I could feel it. It was unreal. And afterward I was like were you like hovering your finger above in between my eyes? She's like no, I was down by your feet, she was by the side of the bed. I slowly, through watching her tapped into this kind of world, became more and more open to it, and that's when she finally handed me Many Lives, many Masters, by Brian Weiss, and that book completely cracked my mind open, particularly because, for those who don't know Dr Brian Weiss, he's a doctor, he was a chief of psychology.
Speaker 2:He was a medicine man, a science-based man, an evidentiary man, and he started to, through psychology, look into people's phobias, started doing hypnotherapy to help them get over phobias or habits, and he stumbled upon a patient who would be in a deep trance and start talking about past lives and start talking about the spirit realm between lives. And what sold me on this is that this whole time he's explaining like I am a skeptic to this. This goes against everything I've learned in medical school. But she was able to tell him his deceased son and his deceased father's names and send messages from them, which at this time in the world with pre-internet, there's no way she knows this information, including nicknames that no one would have known, that his father called him. And when she had past lives she was able to discuss ancient worlds like Egypt and Greece with plenty of historical accuracy based on the clothing she described and the events that were occurring. And then even her voice and her mannerisms would change when she would embody these other lifetimes or, eventually, the masters, these spiritual beings who seem to spout the secrets of the universe. And she's talking about things in a way that's so philosophical and so spiritual that is way beyond her pay grade and when she wakes up she doesn't remember these things that she's saying, and all the while Brian's skeptical.
Speaker 2:But the anecdotal evidence is hard to ignore and from there I felt like I was reading the secrets of the universe. I couldn't read it fast enough almost too fast, because it's so much to take in that it comes and goes and I need to read it again. I've since recommended it to tons of people and since read numerous other books by Brian Weiss as well as Dolores Cannon that helped my science brain wrap my mind around it, because these past life regressions conducted by different people in different decades who do not talk to each other, have shockingly similar results and similar experiences shared, whether that's from a past life, whether it's from what occurs after dying, and down to like very specific elements of it. That, as someone who's been looking for evidence, the anecdotal is impossible to ignore when you really start reading about it.
Speaker 1:Right, especially that validatable data like you're talking about the ancient civilizations, where you can go back and say, oh my goodness, she's right on, this is what was happening during that time period and then coming up with someone's nickname that nobody else would know is absolutely validating. But I know what you mean as far as it being a statistical thing and it not being an objective thing. So were you thinking that this was just a construct in someone's mind or their imagination, that they were coming up with these and I say air quotes past lives, or what did you think it was before you had the experience?
Speaker 2:I've thought about this a lot. Are past lives real or are they construction of our imagination? And a few things come to mind. Number one the similarities that people have within these past lives and me, having done it as well and can put myself in the shoes of the person I'm reading about, who's presenting similar experiences and how they unfold. As well as the stuff beyond the life, the commonality makes me feel like it's real.
Speaker 2:When I did it, even with you, right after my science brain came back, was I imagining this story or did it appear to me and I just recited it? Which was the cart leading the horse? And ultimately, I learned a lot from the experience. So, on a more basic scale, I don't think it matters if it's real or not, because what it did was give me a new perspective to look at my current life. Now. It kept my mind open. As someone who is so objective minded, I pat myself on the back to be open to it. I pat myself on the back to be open to it and, yeah, the similarities between stories are so hard for me to ignore, and because every time I would read these things, especially like myself, want to feel comfort, knowing why something is happening or they want to know the truth and ultimately, I think, like all these you know, roadblocks in my head to be thinking rationally are just rooted in fear of the unknown.
Speaker 2:We need to label why things happen to give ourselves comfort when, ultimately, life is far too complex to have all the answers. And there might be something even more beautiful about the unknown that you can embrace and not be so afraid to try on different ways of thinking and keeping an open mind. Was it real? Was it not real? The perspective I gained from it was real. The way I've been thinking about things, the way it inspired me to read more, is real. The way it has affected me to have an open mind to other people's opinions and views of life is real. So it is tricky, but I don't have the answer. It feels real. When I experienced it, I had more rationalizations popping in my head as to why this is happening, and I think that's par for the course for me as my personality, as opposed to anything else. It is.
Speaker 1:It is hard because and I love what you said about does it really matter? Does it really matter Because, at the end of the day, we connected to data, to information, to an energy, whatever we want to call it that either you tapped into because it was your past life or you tapped into because, subconsciously, that was where your mind needed to go, for whatever reason. And I don't know if you want to share a little bit about some of the past life experience that you had so we can explain to people a little bit about what you experienced, because you were not overtly emotional. It was still an emotional, I felt experience that you had for anybody watching it and hearing the story unfold, especially because you were a child throughout that period.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's another thing that put a chip on the side of maybe this was real. Going into this, I was hoping to have an epic past life, like a glorious, like one full of wild adventure or status or glory, I don't know. Put me on the beach. I'm dating Cleopatra. Exactly, exactly. Soldiers want to be me.
Speaker 2:But no, the first thing I saw after you brought me there was wet cobblestone in a gray, like London-ish surroundings. The weather was terrible, it was dirty. I saw the cobblestone and it was gray and dark, just dreary. I tried to bail and land again. Can I get something a little more scenic than this dust and grime and dirt? But no, I stayed there and it was interesting. I expected it to be more like a movie where I could just see the scene, look around 360 and just observe it, but it was more like the clouds were clearing on a scene. It was a little fuzzy and it took a while to come into focus. And what was interesting and then this started putting a chip back toward the imagination side of things is that it was hard to see and the clouds kind of clear up and I asked myself in my head are those legs, is that a person. And then it was slowly and surely a person. So, again, was the cart leading the horse? I think that's a person. Would that be a dress coat? He's? Yep, that's a dress coat. It was like my mind was trying to guess what I was looking at and as soon as it went there, it crystallized. And yet, who's to say who's leading that process? Because what I didn't expect also, I was incredibly present as my personal self. At one point I moved my toe just to feel my own body it was me observing this situation and to fast forward.
Speaker 2:I learned that, according to what came and went within the cloudy visual, I had recently been orphaned. My parents were like fighting some cause. They were some sort of rebellion against evil government, for lack of a better word and eventually they were taken and I had to walk into town and the only person who would help me, as this young, probably nine-year-old boy, was this watchmaker who saw me on the street and let me get warm by his fire. I later learned I had found my parents in a prison-type setting and I saw them killed and shortly after that I starved and died on the street. And hearing myself say this, my mind is so quickly Looney Tunes, you know like he was a nine-year-old in England in the 1900s. And yet that's what I saw. And what combats that for my skeptical mind is why would I choose that past life to experience?
Speaker 2:I was so excited to do this for the first time after doing all this reading, and I come up with such a depressing story. A nine-year-old orphan who gets pity from the watchmaker, watches his parents killed. I think my sister might've burned in a fire. It was a brutal life and again, was that real? No-transcript things get made and some things don't. We'll see. But I was incredibly inspired to experience life through this new perspective, which is also why I'm an avid reader. Whether it's these books by Brian Weiss, laura's Canon or other people's memoirs, or people's different perspectives help you grow as a human. So I was incredibly grateful for that vacation in someone else's shoes, whether they were mine or constructed.
Speaker 1:I remember you're saying that, because one of the things we want to know is what is the lesson right?
Speaker 1:If I'm going to go so far as to say I believe in past lives, or at least I believe what I saw, whether it's a past life or a construct, if I believe I saw that or a construct, if I believe I saw that, then what does that mean for me?
Speaker 1:And I believe you had this immense feeling of gratitude and appreciation of your wife and of your children and just being so fortunate to have a safe environment for yourself and for them. And it was hard for me to hear you speak as a child. Your voice didn't change, but you could tell that you were in that persona. And it was hard for me to hear that because at some point you just said I'm giving up, I just don't want to even figure this thing out anymore. I think that was specifically after your parents had been killed, and I, of course, wanted to as a mom oh my God, I want to help this kid. And yet one of the things that we learn in learning this process is that there is a catharsis in seeing this and moving through those motions, no matter how uncomfortable they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know what you mean. I heard myself talking like a kid. As an adult I would have thought, and when I have read about it, like, granted, there are some people who go in a much deeper trance. I remember everything, but I heard my voice change or not my voice, but like my speaking pattern, I wasn't using huge words, I was stating things matter of factly, where you would want to be like go on, sweetie, tell me more. And I'd be like I feel bad. You know like I deal with my kids. I was inhabiting two personalities at once myself now as the observer to this kid, and I felt this is an absolutely brutal experience for him. I can hear myself talking like a nine-year-old right now, and it was very important, I think, in anything like this is to not fight these things. That's how it's going right now.
Speaker 2:I, of all the options that I could have constructed for myself, this one was painful. This one was really depressing. It was gray, it was raining. In this lifetime it was nothing but sadness, confusion, abandonment. It was really tough times, and why would I make that up for myself? It did not make me feel like this is clearly hokey. I tried, it didn't work. It made me really contemplative about it. And, yes, the gratitude you get from putting someone else's shoes on especially you know that boy's life was palpable for sure. I still think about it. It was not what I was expecting in the slightest.
Speaker 1:Did you find that there were any threads from either the feelings that you had as that boy, or fears of abandonment, or fires, or a phobia that some people have, or not having enough food or an affinity for wristwatches?
Speaker 2:or pocket watches, I know right. Did you feel?
Speaker 1:like there was any thread, or are you drawn to England or cobblestones?
Speaker 2:Not really. To be honest, I was very surprised by all of the above. I think gratitude is something that we all work on and we all have work to do on and, kind of like you said, I am so blessed with a wonderful family, my folks are incredibly supportive, and that type of comfort is something you could grow to take for granted, and part of me maybe thought it was a wake-up call to how fortunate I am, because the grass is always greener and you can choose to complain about something or appreciate something in the same breath. The lessons as it relates to this life didn't beat me over the head. It wasn't glaringly obvious, as some of the other stories I've read about that make my jaw drop. The gratitude is like really what I came away with, without a doubt.
Speaker 2:I just read the other day there was a past life recall where this mother I don't know if it was Native American times, but their hut was being raided and this mother had her baby under a hidden floorboard in the house and the baby she remembers had the little half-moon birthmark on her shoulder and the baby was crying. So when the raiders came in she had to hold the mouth of the baby so they wouldn't find them and she suffocated the baby. Why would you want to relive that if you had your choice of past lives? It's often pretty traumatic, it seems. However, later in her current lifetime she was a nurse and there was this man who she was drawn to and he had uncontrollable asthma and she was trying to heal them and, sure enough, when she was doing a check of his whole body, she saw the same half moon birthmark on his shoulder. I mean, they got married because their souls reconnected.
Speaker 2:Of course I say it like, as a matter of fact, those who haven't read about this stuff. These souls have a habit of coming back to each other in a remarkable way. From his perspective, he has this asthma that he can't get rid of and if that past life was true, as the baby he was suffocated to death. And in learning about that the catharsis of going through a regression and learning about that experience as a baby oftentimes their asthma goes away and you see that countless times with the work of Brian Weiss or Dolores Cannon and hypnosis in general, this reliving of the pain alleviates the current ailment, often so. That was like way more of a direct story than what I experienced, but then again, I only did it once and I'm not someone who really meditates. I have a couple times, but I didn't think I'd be able to do this at all. If you remember. I did not think I'd be able to see anything.
Speaker 1:You were like that's what they all say. It is what they all say, and I want to ask you a question about that. But before we do, if I recall, the sister in your life that you experienced, reminded you of Goldie, your daughter.
Speaker 2:My father did in the story the sister. I couldn't quite make out her face. I couldn't really make out the mother's face, but my dad in that story did remind me of Goldie, and the watchmaker who took me in reminded me of my maternal grandfather, just in vibe.
Speaker 2:He didn't look like him. He didn't make jokes like him. I just got that sense. So, as I say that, the other side of my brain is like you were looking for that, of course you wanted your daughter to be part of that, but you had talked to me before we started about anyone who had passed. And do I have any goals? And I mentioned my grandfather. He's at top of mind, but I would have loved to find my wife there and I didn't find her in this one. Of course I want my daughter there, but my son wasn't there. I looked for my wife when I was still under and you were asking me do I see anyone? I wanted to go upstairs and tell her we were in this situation. You were my mom, I was your dad, whatever, and she wasn't.
Speaker 2:So I did get a feeling of familiarity and with stories like I just shared about the birthmark on the shoulder, like I am starting to believe it. And I will say one of the things that really resonated with me. I've read to believe it and I will say one of the things that really resonated with me. I've read six books on this stuff but like one line really helped me give into this. I think it was probably in a Dolores Cannon book, but it was something along the lines of like we accept your consciousness appears almost out of thin air for this life. We have the biology and the brain and et cetera. And then we say yes, and now you're a conscious being.
Speaker 2:Why is it so hard to believe that could happen two times or three times? Explain that we all have brains and these are formed as you develop in the womb, et cetera, et cetera. But it's still pretty remarkable that we're able to have consciousness. It's not that crazy to think that it happens twice. I can't shake that one. If you remember, I told you I used to think that people who believe in reincarnation must have huge egos because they're so special that of course it can't be just the one time my soul is.
Speaker 2:I do remember it would be a disservice for this just to be the one ride for me. It really did change my perspective a lot, especially because nothing glorious about the past life I encountered in our sessions. I would point to math, Like how is it that there are more and more people being born and the population grows and grows and yet they're all the same souls cycling through? What if the population goes down? Where do those souls go? And if you believe what Dolores Cannon preaches and teaches, not all souls are here at the same time. You can jump around between tunes, Some ascend the ladder to become guides, which again my Looney Tunes music is going off in one ear and my open-minded anecdotal evidence is steering the ship at the same time. It's kind of fun. I can have a conversation with myself, which again is another chip to the Looney Tunes side. I'm starting to see both and it's incredibly inspiring.
Speaker 2:I really feel like books find you when you're supposed to read them or lessons to similarly. And had my wife given me this book six to seven years earlier, I wouldn't have been open-minded to it. And frankly, if I had started with Dolores Cannon, who's a little more out there than Brian, because Brian is the skeptic that I am, that was my gateway, that I needed and in my hands and apparently my therapist told me to read this book a year ago and I didn't because I wasn't ready. I read this book by the right author, who at minimum brought in my perspective that it doesn't change the way I am in an enormous way. But I certainly try to lead with love. Who doesn't right? But, like I, am way more open-minded and for that I'm grateful, whether this is imagination leading the past life or vice versa.
Speaker 1:I love that you brought up that you were more present, yet still able to grab those. We'll call them memories for purposes of this podcast. So you were very aware, yet you were able to see it as if you were looking through the eyes of that child that you were remembering and I think that's a misconception that every single person will be in such a deep trance that they will have no idea what's going on, that they will have no idea what's going on and that your regressionist has the opportunity to take advantage of you emotionally in some way, or in some cases you're just losing control. I'd love to hear from you about that control factor. I don't know many men who would say, oh yeah, do what you want, my mind is yours. I would love to hear your thoughts about that, especially as a skeptic. And then what you expected versus what you experienced like a very trustworthy person.
Speaker 2:I felt you made me feel very comfortable to begin with and I've done a lot of research on my own prior to it but I could have stood up, walked away anytime, at any point. Like I said, I moved my foot just to feel my body. While I was talking, my current mind was also noting wow, I sound like a kid right now, but I should roll with it because I feel like a kid right now, but I know that I'm not. I could very easily open my eyes and say, yeah, this isn't for me. I had total agency over the situation, which was really not at all what I expected. When you think hypnotized, I think you could do pranks with this person. Look, he's going to stand up and open the fridge. You know, it was nothing like that.
Speaker 2:Now I have read that some folks go so deep that they don't recall what they said. And man, that's the good stuff, though I wish I had a recording of me channeling the masters talking about life secrets. I wanted to meet a guide. I wanted to go deeper and deeper, but my experience was way more in control and I wanted it to continue because of that, like because I felt safe and, in the driver's seat, with your guidance, I wanted to go and go and go. Even though the experience was a brutal past life to recall, I found it so fascinating. I am again shocked that I was able to see anything. I think a large portion is.
Speaker 2:I did go in with an open mind and like an open heart. I was hopeful that this would work out. I was doubtful, to be honest. I figured my wife would be like. She's been living on this wavelength her whole life. She's going to go deep. You're going to count backwards from 10 and she's going to be out like a light and that'll be that. But for me, no, it's a slow process to get there. I was there the whole time and it was nothing but positive, despite the content.
Speaker 1:Everyone feels a little nervous that they're not going to be able to relax enough to access that portion of the brain. But as a musician you're already tapping into so much of your creative side, so I had no doubt whatsoever that you would be able to see. And then you didn't surprise me when you so eloquently wrote about that afterwards, because to me that was just a continuum of your creativity. And I was pleased actually because you were skeptical that you did stay incredibly lucid, because otherwise you could say, oh, I was asleep, I could have said anything, that type of thing. So I thought it was cool that you could actually see yourself grab that side of your brain and consciously experience your subconscious. How cool is that.
Speaker 2:It's wild for sure, and you're right about the music performing live or going to concerts as an attendee like there is an energy that is felt. Scientists can point to the chemicals released when you listen to pleasing music and you can go down that road, but there is something, it's kind of palpable, that you can hold on to, especially when you're like in a more of a flow state. And, as someone who doesn't meditate a lot, the closest I get is when we're playing live. I don't have the luxury of letting my mind wander or I'll make mistakes and I won't be listening, especially because we improvise a lot and we're all listening to each other constantly in real time. When you reach a flow state like that the energy going back and forth between band members and fans I have experienced it plenty. Yes, you could toy to the science of it and the brain and the serotonin and this and that, but that's fear of the unknown. There's just an energy out there and you don't need to explain away everything. There's something. When we all congregate for music, for sporting events, when we're all cheering at the same time, when your piece of music hits you at the right moment and you feel better, there's something beyond science that can be harnessed in all sorts of facets of life, whether it's religion or music or what have you.
Speaker 2:I'm trying now just to catch myself from trying to explain away everything and just appreciate it for what it is and also explore what that means is, and also explore what that means. What I've really loved about learning all this stuff is I went into this like a researcher because I was interested in the anecdotal evidence about this stuff and what came out of it, which was not what I was seeking, was comfort in a bigger picture in death and what that means and what this life means, and it's a great way to see the forest for the trees, zoom out and see that there's more going on here. Whether or not this my father used to be, who is Goldie, is now my daughter that is to be seen but there's more at play. And yeah, I really did not go into it looking for comfort.
Speaker 2:I do think certain aspects of why people seek religion and believe in God and those things is for comfort of the unknown is to calm the fear of what happens next and what it all means, and so it's interesting to experience that through other means, whether it's looking into past lives or even just reading about them or playing music and feeling the energy and believing there's more happening than meets the eye, is comforting, and it also takes the stress out of your everyday struggles. It brings gratitude that we're here now, and it's a beautiful wormhole to get lost in.
Speaker 1:So I take it, you would have another regression.
Speaker 2:I take it that you could live in my basement. We do this every night, you know, your husband, the whole gang. No, I would love to do it again.
Speaker 1:Bring the kids bring the dog Bring everyone.
Speaker 2:No, I really would love to do it again, because the first time you do anything you have all these preconceived notions, those get challenged in the moment. And now I have somewhere to kind of have a reference point and I'm so curious how different the next one would be, or similar. Having done something once, you think history repeats itself. But who knows, maybe I am the soldier everyone wants to be and Cleopatra is my girlfriend. All this stuff I'd love a glorious one. I'd love to talk to a guide. It's endlessly fascinating and I have told anyone I'm comfortable with about it. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:There is a major stigma in my mind, perhaps that I'm projecting out there that these things are for a specific type of minded person, and I've been so surprised with some of the people I've had the courage to bring it up with in my more objective minded peers how they are also open to this stuff and it's led to incredible conversations and close friendships. This stuff, and it's led to incredible conversations and close friendships. And if I hadn't taken a leap of faith and made myself vulnerable to talk about something that in my mind I'm projecting, that I'd maybe get ridiculed or eyes rolled at, I wouldn't have known that they maybe are open to this stuff too and deepen that relationship and further bring the East into the Western mindset. And really exciting and terrifying and comforting all at once, it's all very, it's very special and I'm eternally grateful that you came to our house and gave us that experience. So thank you.
Speaker 1:I just love that you eventually felt comfortable enough to share your experience, and I get you. You need to know somebody read the room a little bit before you jump into something. That kind of sounds offbeat has a way of opening a discussion that can be of a very deep philosophical topic about what we believe, about why we're here and what happens to us after death. So I think you were incredibly brave to even do that and I am so thankful that you were willing to relive this with me today and I am definitely letting you guys know the next time I am in your neck of the woods, because I was not able to have dinner with you and your family and my sister had been with me and she's like, let's go, let's go. I got to get some things done, I have to adult for a minute and I stayed back in the hotel and adulted. Next time I'm there, I'm definitely coming and I just am so thankful and I wish you and your band the immense success that you deserve.
Speaker 2:This is my full-time gig. It's been that way for over a decade and we are constantly playing the country. So actually, our next show there's no. This is in a couple of days. I'm going to Mexico oh great. But we are coast to coast all year round. You know, speaking of energy like that's almost our biggest focus. When we're behind the scenes, we're working on music theory and making creative songs. These experiences have affected my lyrics in a pretty profound way. I'm not going full throttle and making creative songs. These experiences have affected my lyrics in a pretty profound way. I'm not going full throttle, but it's starting to sprinkle in. But it's all about energy. It's all about connecting with the crowd. So, believe it or not, we are the only pigeons playing ping pong band out there, so we're very easy to find.
Speaker 1:There's not too much competition on.
Speaker 2:Google I guess all the other band names were taken. I was so happy just to see your face. So we appreciate everything you did for us and I'm sure we will see each other again.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you so much for listening. If you are interested in my services, visit me at wwwquantumjourneygocom or drop me a note at pastlivescafebuzzsproutcom. Stay well and be present.
