What If Your Ancestor Is You?

A single “irrational” fear unraveled into a century-old memory, and what came next changed everything. Chione sits with intuitive author and priestess Elyse Welles to trace how a Samhain fire meditation revealed a past-life tragedy and released years of anxious looping in the present. From there, we dive into a guided regression where Elyse becomes a young boy who learned to disappear in wheat fields, loved his nanny across an unforgiving class divide, and grew into a capable but isolated professor. The emotional throughline—silence, longing, regret—becomes the very medicine Elyse carries today: creating spaces where people feel seen and safe to speak.

Details

We follow a surprising thread of soul bonds as Elyse describes a spirit baby visiting for more than a year, a presence that may be the beloved nanny returning. That possibility reshapes how ancestry shows up in ritual and why some ancestors go quiet when reincarnation is near. Along the way, we examine why so many clients recall lifetimes as midwives, folk healers, or so-called “witches” in Western Europe, contrasted with Mediterranean beliefs like the evil eye that channeled suspicion differently. Witchcraft, animism, and shadow work intersect with past-life regression here, offering practical tools to find the origin of stubborn fears, vows, and patterns—and to choose a new ending.

This conversation blends story and scholarship—witch hunts and regional histories, QHHT structure and safety, embodied release and real-world impact. If you’ve ever felt a feeling that logic couldn’t soothe, or you carry a purpose you can’t explain, this journey offers a framework to make sense of it. Press play to witness how memory becomes medicine, how love threads across lifetimes, and how taking up worthwhile space can be the soul’s antidote to old invisibility.

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References

The Witch, A History of Fear from Ancient Times to Present; Author, Ronald Hutton

Important Information

Past Lives Cafe is intended to bring you uninterrupted glimpses into others' past life experiences. Some have regressed in a group setting or individually in their dreams, as part of a tribal ceremony, through a guided meditation, with a certified regressionist or QHHT practitioner. Please contact Chione@QuantumJourneyGo.com with any questions about this modality or to share your own experiences on the podcast.

Thank you for your interest!

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 2:06 Why Past Lives Matter
• 3:17 Elise’s 1913 Fire Vision
• 7:18 Recognizing Self Across Lifetimes
• 10:41 Regression Session Setup And Trust
• 12:12 Past Life As A Lonely Boy
• 16:40 Nanny, Class Barriers, And Regret
• 20:54 Spirit Baby And Soul Bonds
• 26:14 Professor’s Life Of Isolation
• 30:28 Lessons: Being Seen And Taking Space
• 35:36 Teaching, Theater, And Making Others Visible
• 39:45 Everyday Kindness As Spiritual Practice
• 43:24 Witchcraft, Persecution, And Lineage
• 49:10 Western vs Eastern Europe And The Evil Eye

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Welcome to the Past Lives Cafe. I am your host, Keoni, an intuitive energy worker and acclaimed past life regressionist. Come with me as we journey through the spiral of time to forgotten places. Today I am thrilled to introduce to you Elise Wells. She is initiated in the eclectic fairy tradition and holds an MA with a focus in spiritual studies. Elise is the only native Greek Egyptian priestess teaching the lost earth princess arts of the Mediterranean. She hosts the Magic Kitchen Podcast, a top 20 show in the U.S., as well as Seeking Lumina, the Sacred Places Podcast, and the Cosmic Theater Mystery School, an exploration of the liminal space between the worlds of paranormal investigation and spirituality. Elise is also an author featured in several anthologies. Her first book, Sacred Wild, An Invitation to Connect with Spirits of the Land, released with Llewellyn in November 2025, and her witchy paranormal mystery novel, What the Water Remembers, released September 2025. She writes for Witchology, Witchway magazine, and is the Greece correspondent for the wild hunt. She has spoken at several conferences, including Hecate Fest and the Water Priestess Confluence. She runs Seeking Lumina, facilitating immersive pilgrimages to Greece and sacred sites, and teaches the path of the sacred wild online. Visit seekingnumina.com and at seeking numina on Instagram for more information. Why do you think past lives are so important for us to recognize and also visit on our spiritual journeys?

SPEAKER_02: 2:17

I think they are a deep part of understanding the why behind the things that can feel hard to understand otherwise. So for myself, I had one experience where for years I had this weird fear that my husband would die and I'd be unable to get to him. I would literally have crippling fear about it. I would call him when he was at work and I was at school, and I would be like, Hey, what's going on? Are you okay? I was so afraid it was my intuition telling me something bad was happening. And it never was. Everything was always fine. And it was such an irrational fear. It really was irrational. And I think a lot of people's irrational fears can come from past life experiences that need to be resolved and understood. And so years into this fear manifesting itself, I had a really beautiful experience. I'm a witch, so in my coven, you know, in all witches' covens, Sawin is a really particularly special holiday. It's Halloween. And it's when we honor our dead and we celebrate our ancestors. And we were doing this meditation around a fire. We were gazing into the fire. And we were supposed to ask an ancestor to come forward. And I saw a couple of women from my ancestry, but the woman who stepped forward was me. It was my first real past life vision. And it was me from around the year 1913 popped in my head right away. Like she wanted me to know that was the year. And she stepped forward. And then I was looking at her, but it felt like I stepped toward her. But I was in the flames. I was looking into the flames, and then I got this vision. As I'm sharing this, I think this is why. It was her watching a burning building. And I could feel her anguish and terror and helplessness. And there were firefighters fighting the fire, but they were also holding her back. And I understood that her husband was in this building and he was dying and she couldn't get to him. And that grief stayed with her for the entire rest of her life. That was the defining mark of that lifetime for this soul that I have. And so as soon as she showed me that, I realized this isn't my fear. This isn't actually my fear in this life. It's a holdover. That fear left me. The nature of my work is I do retreats in Greece. I often travel to conferences. And so I'm not always with my husband. So every now and then I'll be six weeks apart or something. And I will get this weird sort of stirring of that. And I'm able to confront it and look at it and say, is this ours? Is this mine now? Or is this something from the past? And I've always been able to say, okay, no, this is something from the past. So if I hadn't had that past life confrontation, memory journey, I wouldn't have resolved that fear. I firmly believe that. I'd still have it. It would have held me back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:16

How did you know in the vision that you were having that it was you? Did it look like you? Or was it more a recognition?

SPEAKER_02: 5:26

She had elements that were similar to me, but she was built very differently. And of course, her clothes were different. And she was paler. Like I'm multi-ethnic. So she wasn't. She was very much just a white woman. And she had brown hair like I have, but it was so dark. The fire had happened at night, and we were looking into a fire. Almost like her features weren't the point. Like if there's someone you haven't seen in a while and you try to remember exactly what they look like, it's like you can remember what they look like in pictures more than what they look like. That's like what it felt like in the moment to look at her as well. If I remember correctly, at first I said, Who are you? Are you one of my ancestors? And her answer was like, no. And I was like, Oh. And then I was like, Are you me? Are you a past version of myself? And that was when she was like, Yes. So it was very interesting. It was also interesting because I wasn't looking for a past life experience. I was looking to connect with ancestors. So that made it a unique sort of validation in a way for me as well to know, okay, I'm not quote unquote making this up like we always think we are.

SPEAKER_01: 6:34

Like we always think we are. Well, what's really interesting is you are your own ancestor. So what is cyclical relationship that you're actually having with not just people that have lived with you in the past, but also have been you in the past. And you said that you felt this fear that at least you identified as being irrational because nothing was ever wrong. So it wasn't intuition prodding that you ended up finding out your husband was just fine, but you didn't have those feelings with any other man that you had been with prior to your husband.

SPEAKER_02: 7:17

No, none. And I was young. That's a good point. I never thought about that. I was 19 when I started dating my husband, and it was around two years in because I was still in college when I had this vision. So yeah, it was two years in that that started happening. So that's interesting. I've never thought of that before.

SPEAKER_01: 7:32

Yeah, because it's almost like your soul knew what was going to happen, that even though you were dating, you were going to be more than that to each other, and that this was going to end up being a memory that felt very real to you.

SPEAKER_02: 7:52

Yeah. And it's interesting that it felt important to my soul to resolve that past life here so that I could move forward in our relationship.

SPEAKER_01: 8:01

And you didn't drive him crazy for the rest of both of your lives.

SPEAKER_02: 8:05

Yeah. Well, for other reasons for sure, but not that one at least. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:11

Just not that one. One of the things that you were so kind to do for me, other than being so instrumental in my life in so many other ways. But when I was interning as a QHHT past life regressionist practitioner, you allow me to do a past life regression with you. And you dropped in, I had never met you before. So this which is so crazy in this life, anyhow, right? Yeah. I felt like, oh, this is someone who seems super familiar to me. It was very easy to talk with you. And then you dropped into that meditative state so easily. So I didn't expect that because I didn't know you. So I didn't know what your practices were. And you immediately connected with a life that had a number of layers to it, a lot of emotional vulnerability, a lot of likenesses to where you were just coming from in this current life as well. So I wondered if you could tell us about that experience. And I'll also give the recollection that I have as well when you're done.

SPEAKER_02: 9:31

Yeah. Oh, and I would love to hear that too, because it's been like seven months, I think. Maybe eight. So that's a really good period of time since then. Oh, I always love seeing what is most prevalent in the memory. Um, which first of all, I have to say, like I had never had the opportunity to do a past life regression. Past life regressions, like in that formal context, like anything this deep, you have to trust the teacher or the practitioner so acutely. And I knew I could because of our shared friend Megan. And I was really excited for this opportunity and it far surpassed my expectations. I didn't really have any. I was like, oh, it'll be a little meditation. And it was incredible. Anybody who is like, oh, I think it would be good for me. If you have any doubts, you're the one to book with because it really was so special. Yeah, really, really special. I think about it all the time. So in my journey, one thing that shocked me from the start was that I was a man in this past life. I never in my life imagined I had been anything but a woman because I'm super comfortable in this body. I love this body. I've sat with it a lot. From a spiritual perspective, having the balance of masculine and feminine energy, the polarities within is important to me. I'm 100% behind LGBT rights, trans rights. I sat with it for myself. I said, Oh, am I non-binary? No, I absolutely love being a woman, having everything women have. I love my period. How many people say that? I really have learned to love this body. I just assumed I'd always had one, a female body, that is. And so that shocked me that I was a little boy. And it really surprised me too. It was the only time I can think of where I felt like a man. So that was a really interesting experience, the holistic experience of it. And I remember him showing me the loneliness he felt and how small he felt he needed to make himself in the world he lived in. And he showed me this game he would play when he was little, where he when he'd get home from school and he'd go inside and he'd have a snack. And then he'd go outside to play because he didn't want to bother mom, who always had headaches. She was in her room and he couldn't make noise in the house. So he'd go outside and he would play this game where he would lay in the fields, these fields of of wheat, and and lay down so that the tall wheat would obscure that he was even there. And that was his favorite game to play was to be invisible. And it was just oh, it makes me so emotional because it was so visceral and he was so hollow and empty and sad. And the only person that he had in his life who showed him true love was his nanny. And she was this woman who raised him. She took care of him, she made sure he ate. She did everything for him. His dad worked in the town, they owned farms or fields, and his dad just didn't give him time, he didn't invite him to things. Like he even thought as he got older that his dad would invite him more or include him more. He was the only child in this family, and the family business was never talked about with him. He was 100% isolated from his parents. Why he existed was never clear. And the only person who gave him an assurance that, yeah, don't worry, you are here. You're not a ghost, you're alive and well was this nanny. And as we progressed through the past life, it was incredible to viscerally feel the pain that he felt, but also the love, like how much love he had for her, his nanny. And when he was on his deathbed, the thing that hurt him the most was that he never told her that. He never shared that with her because he took the class difference so seriously. Like it was like the only way he was honoring his parents was like being a class above, the only person who showed him love. Like there's just so many layers in that that I think about all the time. And that was his last thought as he died, was his regret about that. And it's been really impactful for me as well, because one of the things I was hoping to resolve through my past life regression was I have a very unique situation. I've been Googling all over the place, and I haven't found anybody else talking about having this experience where for the past almost like a year and a half, about a year and a half now, I've been getting these visitations of a spirit baby, which I did not know was a thing. I thought it was this weird thing. I didn't know there was a whole book called Spirit Babies. I just learned about that a month ago. I really want to look into this more, but but my future daughter has been coming to me. And I truthfully don't really want kids, which is very freaky to me. I can see how it could be wonderful to have her in my life, and I miss her soul. Like she's somebody I've loved again and again in many different ways. But I don't know why I have to bring her in that way. And like I think of all the sacrifices I'm gonna have to make for her to be here. I'm just not ready to give all of that up. And so I've been trying to make sense of that and who she is and why she is, and through that past life regression, you helped me understand that she could very well be nanny.

SPEAKER_01: 15:19

I remember we were talking about whether the anyone from the past life regression seemed familiar to you for today, and you were talking about this specific spirit. So it wasn't an actual individual, but a spirit child that you had felt some sort of connection to. And I think the classism and I think the educational difference that you had from the nanny in that past life really ended up being so hurtful to you, ironically, because those were some of the things that you were trying to escape when you were a child of feeling so separated and feeling so disenfranchised and on the fringe. And yet it was the very same thing that ended up driving that wedge between you and the one person that you felt so, so very connected to. And one of the things, and I don't think I told you this, so I may be blindsiding you a little bit, but you were shaking, visibly shaking like a leaf throughout that entire thing. As soon as you landed and said, I'm a little boy, I don't know where my shoe is. I'm running, I remember. Yeah, I don't know where my shoe is. And I said, Where are you running? I'm running home from where? From school. Oh, okay. Do you know where your shoe is? No, I don't know. And Nanny said, Where's your shoe? And you were like, I don't know where my shoe is, just like a normal little boy would do. And you were just shaking and shaking. And at first I thought, okay, a lot of times during past life regressions, temperature changes because you're meditating and you're in a deep space, things kind of slow down, your mind is more active, your body slows down. But then I realized it was actually an expression of emotion for you. Because as things became more intense, as you were expressing feeling so lonely, the shaking got more pronounced. And one of the things that we're told not to do during a past life aggression is to comfort the person if they're having or facing a difficult period, because we don't want to remove you from the scenario. We're certainly not going to leave you in a scenario that's dangerous or anything like that. But it's presumably cathartic to go through that experience and to see it for the very many layers that it was. And I just wondered if you felt that it was a helpful experience to feel that pain again. Oh, yeah. And then to be, I think you grew up to be a professor in that life. Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 18:28

Yeah. And I remember also he went to school, became a professor. He went to school, loved school. And then at his graduation, his parents came to visit him. The only time they ever came was for his graduation. Four years he was at school and they never came. And he would go home. Over time, he went home less and less through undergrad, and then he was there for graduation and they came. But even then, they made it a business dinner as well. Like they did the right thing by coming to graduation, but only on the surface. They didn't celebrate him. It was still not about him. Yeah, I was very grateful to feel all that pain because I'm not somebody in this life. I'm just not quiet. I have three podcasts. I take up a lot of space. I'm never a mean person in a restaurant who's like, hey, I need my food. It's not that kind of taking up space. If I have a message that I know I'm supposed to share, I will share it. I'm just never shy about that stuff in this life. And I've always felt like a bit of a resolve about that. Even as a little kid, people would try to tell me what was true. And if I knew it wasn't, I didn't waver from that. I just didn't matter. And my parents, to their credit, they would just support that as my truth and just take me out of Sunday school because I kept getting kicked out. Or they would just let me not go, you know? And then I'd be in church and I would go to Goodwill and find like whatever book was small so I could put it in the Bible and read that while I was in church. I just was always doing stuff like that. I never bought into anybody else's truth if it didn't resonate with me. It's just so different. I think a lot of what he suffered must have been in there in this life because I've I had such a resolve against feeling that way again.

SPEAKER_01: 20:07

I like how you say you take up space and you take up worthwhile space. You're not just out there to be noticed. It's not that. You definitely have a message and you're very well read, you're very well educated, and you've been very well traveled. So the things that you have to share are definitely worthwhile, which I think is interesting because I don't think he went very far. I think he went to college just the next town over. And so his life experiences seem to be limited to the farm that you grew up on. And then he went to college and ended up teaching at the same place that he was educated. Yeah. What I also thought was interesting was that after all that time of feeling unheard and unseen by the family, that he still held out hope that during that graduation dinner that they took him to, that there would be some level of connection.

SPEAKER_02: 21:19

Yeah, or pride at least, that would invite connection. Yeah. Nothing. It's so interesting, too, because if I could be a fly on the wall of those memories rather than feeling them, would I have seen the same thing? They did literally invite business associates to my graduation dinner so that they could kill two pairs with one stone. That's horrible. That's on its face, objectively not respectful. Yeah, it's just interesting. It just goes back to how I feel about everybody I meet. It's like what Harper Lee writes, empathy is getting in someone else's skin and walking around in it. You just wonder what their perspective on him was. Maybe they were proud, but they didn't feel they had to say anything because it was obvious they'd be proud because look what he'd done. You know what I mean? Some people are like that. I never married, I never traveled that I saw, and I died as a professor at the university. I've reflected more and more. I think we were Quakers. I really think we were Quakers because when I look back at it, I can see the clothes I wore and my hair and these little glasses. I was always wearing black and wearing the same thing all the time. I really am thinking we were probably Quakers, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01: 22:31

It is interesting. This professor that you had ended up becoming was someone who, if I recall, gave a lot to his students, his knowledge, and lived to educate, but kept an emotional wall between even his students. So it's it wasn't business per se, but it was very much depositing knowledge, answering questions, and then coming back into his little studio apartment on campus. The life that was going on around him didn't involve him.

SPEAKER_02: 23:16

Yeah, yeah. And it's such an easy way to stay hidden, is like in books. Even though I remember he published things. I think you asked the question when I was on my deathbed as him. What are your prides and joys? What are your accomplishments? You're remembering. I published papers, I was a good professor, I mattered to the student body, to the legacy of the college. Yeah, it still was hiding, but it's just a name on a paper.

SPEAKER_01: 23:45

It was very much taking, though, the lesson that you had learned as a child, which is this is a legacy to be left behind as opposed to a life well lived. Yeah. I thought that was amazing that it came full circle. And I remember asking you as this man who was essentially isolating himself in the educational pursuits and reading and putting together his lectures and those types of things. He was always doing things like that. And I remember asking, How do you feel while you're doing that? And you said, I feel alone. I feel lonely. Because I asked you, what did you do with your with your time outside of that? And I remember you're saying, I just looked out the window. Do you remember? And you were like looking.

SPEAKER_02: 24:39

I don't remember saying that, but that's the image I always have of it when I think back. I remember the house and him as a little boy, not the house details, but I remember just how big it felt and empty. And then I remember looking out the window and seeing these mostly low brick buildings and then a couple brick and wood and then a clock tower.

SPEAKER_01: 24:59

And if I recall, what really upset you, in addition to not telling your nanny how much she had meant to you, was that you couldn't be there when she died.

SPEAKER_02: 25:11

Yeah, yeah. I remember. And yeah, they didn't even really write to me to tell me. I wrote home to her. That was who I wrote home to. Even if it was to the family, it was to her. I didn't hear back for a long time. And so I wrote to my mother, and she was like, Oh, yeah, things are good here. Yeah, nanny did pass away anyway, this and this. And it was the most heartless way to find out. I also remember not knowing what to do with it because where do you go? How do you say, Oh, my childhood nanny died? I'm distraught. Who do you tell that to in the early 1800s? How do you go tell anybody anything like that? Exactly. Especially with the class differences. I never married, I never had kids. I was alone on my deathbed. I don't even think anyone knew I was sick. I don't think I did either. I think it just I knew this might be it kind of feeling, and just struggling to breathe. And then, yep, that was it.

SPEAKER_01: 26:12

I remember asking you, do you want anyone to be there with you? And you were like, No, I'm pretty sure you said no. I'm I'm good going, I'm ready. I'm tired and I'm ready. And then the next step we take is looking back at that life and saying, what was that meaning to you? What was the life lesson? What did you get from living such a desperately lonely lifetime? I know that it was definitely to live more out loud, to be more emotive. And something you said the other day, Elise, when we were interviewing you for the other podcast, you said it's always your goal to make people feel seen.

SPEAKER_00: 26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 27:00

Oh, wow. Yeah. And I remember telling you, well, you do. You definitely make every single one of us feel seen. Some of us are more vociferous than others. And so you even said that you'll say, hey, to the person who maybe is more shy, hey, what are your thoughts? Because you want them to know you see them. And that you also want them to have a good experience in your containers and in any sort of educational programs that that you're that you're interacting with them within that that they matter to you. They're not just a tuition fee. I also thought it was interesting that you, how long were you a teacher? Before true, yeah, five years. And you also were instrumental to your students. You filled a space. Do I remember drama? I don't know if it was a club. Yeah, theater and English. Yep. Theater and English. So I thought it was really neat how you were willing to fill in some of these extra roles when you're a teacher in this lifetime to continue to help students pursue their own interests. And maybe I was thinking maybe relating to some of the students who maybe were lonely or didn't feel I can totally see you as a teacher doing that. I'm sure they like it.

SPEAKER_02: 28:33

That was definitely, yeah, like because we had a at that school, um, drama was one of like three creative electives they had to take in ninth grade. So I would have a lot of freshmen who would take it because they didn't want to take art or dance. It was art, dance, or that. So a lot of them would be like, oh, well, I hate moving and I hate art, so I'll do drama. And yet, some of them, I had two boys in particular I can think of, just wouldn't think, you know, that young, like ninth grade boys that that would reach them. And they were so quiet and they would sit in the back. They weren't in the same class, but I just remember them both in this way. And they ended up staying with it all the way through graduation because it was the only time they felt like they could be themselves. And they still stayed quiet, but one of them found art through it. And he was, he literally made me, I have it framed at my house. He made me theater masks, like ancient Greek, like you know, comedy and tragedy.

SPEAKER_01: 29:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 29:26

He drew them for me on in Sharpie. And it's like, yeah, he was like, I never felt like I and he ended up like dyeing his hair pink one day. Like he just like expressed in these other ways. He still he never spoke a lot, but he always learned he learned how to express himself in other ways through drama. And it was just, yeah, it really was amazing. My favorite job I ever had for another person, definitely what I do now is my favorite, was J. Jill, which is like an older clothing, older women's clothing store. So, like no buttons, no zippers, like you can just pull everything on. And so a lot of my clients for these retirees, and quite a lot were. Like depression era women or like they raised their kids in the 60s, these women. A lot of them were very old. I was like, You drove yourself here? I don't know about that. Um buggy. I yeah, it's so many of these women, they had never felt beautiful. It wasn't part of the foreseeing. Yeah. And I loved helping them feel beautiful. I loved it. You know, these were sure, these were clothes with no buttons, but they were meant to look good. No. And so I just loved finding their color and and I loved seeing them light up at it. And yeah, it really just at every turn in my life I can look back and see. Like, I just loved being, I love being that person. And I do it at the grocery store. Like the lady who, when you do self-checkout, there's that person who hates their life because they have to go to all the ones that turn green and they start flashing and then they scan their manager card. I always compliment them. Even if I'm struggling, you're just wearing your uniform, I'll be like, girl, your nails look so good today. Or like, I don't know how you got your eyebrows looking so even. I can't, you know, like just something to try and turn that dime because it means so much to people.

SPEAKER_01: 31:03

It really does. And I think when you're in a position like that, especially like in a grocery store or something like that, you do blend in.

SPEAKER_02: 31:12

It's so easy to be unseen. Yeah, it's almost a point. Uniforms freak me out. I'm not a fan. I understand the positive arguments for them in schools, and but I just love individuality and letting people shine.

SPEAKER_01: 31:26

I'm with you on that. I wanted to ask you about the witchcraft portion because it is such a large part of your identity. And during one of my travels, you had actually talked to me about the one place I was going, which was Trier, Germany, which gave me some information to approach my guide and get some more information about that specific area of Trier that I was in. Through getting to know you and through those types of discussions, I'm also finding these threads with my clients who also identify as being past currenteras or midwives. Or I had one client who she was living in a time period where it was not okay to love someone of the same gender. So she lived with her friend out on the outskirts of town, but they were hiding because they were foraging for medicinal plants and growing medicinal plants. People would come to see them and seek out herbal medicines, but they knew that they were not accepted because they were loving of the same gender. And secondarily, that healing with plants was an iffy practice at that time. So I'm really surprised that so many of my clients either identified with thinking they had been healers or branded as witches in the past, or were shocked to find out that was part of their past. So I'm wondering, what do you attribute that prevalence of people coming to those recollections or being so out loud about it? I have one person who said, I know I was burned. I know I was burned at this gate, not a doubt in my mind. How is it that all of this is suddenly coming? What did you call it? The satanic panic. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is it just now okay for people to have these recollections and talk about them? Or do you think we're becoming more aware of it?

unknown: 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 33:36

Oh, well, that's a great question. I think maybe it's a little of both, but I think so. I'm thinking of Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. And he talks about how a lot of times we reincarnate with similar geographical regions. Like a lot of the souls he would talk to. Um, for those who don't know, that book is a book where a psychologist or psychiatrist, I think psychologist, takes his patients into a hypnosis, and he was trying to heal them as any psychologist would, with figuring out the root of their struggle or what was going on. And he was realizing they were talking about past lives, or they were talking about lives on other planets, or they were talking about their soul family on the other side. Or so he started asking them to share more. And so that's this book is like a transcription of thousands of patients. It's incredible. There's two books. And one of the things that was interesting is they you kind of incarnate in similar regions of the world a lot of the time. And I, when we look at Western witchcraft, which is witchcraft. Witchcraft in the eastern part of Europe wasn't always called that, it was just called folk healing, or it was called something different. When we talk about witchcraft, we're talking about the practices of healing and working with the land that came from Western Europe. So if you want to draw a line, it would be some people call it potato europe versus tomato europe. But that's a good way to think of it, honestly, is like Italy over. But not all of Italy, like those parts of Italy that bleed into Switzerland over to England is Western Europe. And then once you hit the Mediterranean, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Spain, and then up into the Balkans, above Greece, you have Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Albania, up into Poland, Hungary, well, I'm not going in order here, but Serbia, Hungary, Poland, and further east, eventually you hit Russia. So that's the Slavic states, the Balkan states. Western Europe, so like Switzerland over to Britain, if people are of that descent, including Norwegian or Finland, Finnish or Swedish, all the way up, you know, you were, if you incarnated as that lineage now, there's a good chance maybe you had that lineage then. And those were the places where witch hunts happened. And it was not that all the people who were hunted down as witches did witchcraft. In fact, most probably did not. They maybe were too smart. They maybe said no to their husband for something that their husband wanted in the middle of the night. They maybe actually survived something that they should have died from, and people thought that was suspicious. Or maybe their neighbor's cows were dying, and that wife always didn't like the way that other woman, the way you in this past life, your hair always looked so good. It was sinister the way people would use witchcraft as a means of attack. A lot of people will say, Oh, that's crazy that there's so many people. Like, of course, everybody nowadays wants to be a witch in the past life. No, actually think unfortunately, like Triers in is it in France today? It used to be Germany, it used to be different places, but it's still German city. Okay. So they it's a convergence of three villages that literally ceased to exist because they killed all the women there for witchcraft. So when we say like the proportion of people persecuted is high, it was very high. It was at some point 80 to 100% of the women in a given village. And it weren't just women, a lot of them were men. The Salem witch trials, I believe three of them were men. So it really is not just women as well, but it definitely was proportionally more women. And Western Europe, if that's your lineage in this life, chances are it was in the past. And so I don't think it's crazy at all. And if your lineage is Eastern Europe, including in this case the Mediterranean, we didn't have witch trials in Greece, for example, where my family is mostly from. We didn't have witch trials in Italy. And the reason, a lot of the time, the reason attributed, and I get this theory not from my own self, but from Ronald Hutton in his book The Witch, which is so good. If you're curious about how we got where we are with anything witchcraft, he's an academic, it's a fantastic read. He purports that the reason that is, is because we have the concept of the evil eye, which is the subconscious, the unintentional throwing of negative energy towards something we're jealous of. So let's say I've been struggling to lose weight, and I really know I need to. My knees are aching, and then I'm going to the gym to lose weight. It's still not working. I'm really frustrated with losing weight. And I go to lunch with my friend, and she's like, Guess what? I lost 15 pounds. I'm genuinely happy for her. But there's also a part of me that's like, why can't I lose those from Jane Brown? And that little part of us, that angry, jealous part, subconsciously projects out onto her. And then maybe she gains half a pound that week. That is the evil eye. It's not intentional. We don't mean to do it, but it happens. And so because we had an understanding of that in the eastern parts of Europe, in the Mediterranean, in the Balkan states, we didn't have switch trials. We didn't have witch hunts. So, really, really interesting. We also didn't have a Catholic Church. So that's another story. So, yeah, I do think it's valid. I think it makes sense. I also think these memories are coming back, like you suggested, because we are ready to receive them. We can do something with what they have to offer us. The message can be heard because we can mobilize about it. A hundred years ago, what were we going to do? Realize we had been burned at the stake and then say, Well, sounds about right. We didn't have rights as women. Now we still do, despite it feeling like they might be rapidly disappearing and in parts of the country of the United States, that is feeling like the case. And there might be people listening to this in other countries where women do not have equal rights. I grew up partially in the Middle East. Women do not have equal rights there. It's it's a statement of fact. And we don't live in a perfect world by any means. But those of us who are getting these memories, I promise you, it's because you're meant to transmute them, to alchemize them into a better life in this life. Why else would we need past life understanding? If it was just to terrify us or make our lives worse, it wouldn't be something somebody as beautifully insuled as you would be doing. It's to help people. And that is how we help ourselves is by by learning from difficult experiences. And how beautiful that we don't have to go through them this life. How beautiful none of us will be burned at the steak, not bone wood.

SPEAKER_01: 39:57

Absolutely. Um yeah, I agree with you. It is also very difficult for me to witness while doing regressions, people who have that experience, who are living in fear, living out of fear of persecution and/or no, it's coming. And when I'm asking questions, I'm thinking of this one individual who lived on the outskirts with her friend, and I'm asking her, Well, what are you foraging for? And she's telling me all of these different plants and herbs and things that they use medicinally, and that one of the people that actually came to get plant healing medicine from her is the person that turned her in. And my question is, why? Why? And she said, I don't know. I don't know why they turned me in, but I just know that now I have to run. If I don't get out of here, I'm gonna be ending end up at the end of a noose. And so when I'm hearing these things, it feels so desperate and hard to witness. And yet I do feel like history in many cases, especially as much as you and I have talked about different things happening in different parts of the world, I feel like I'm witnessing it a lot of times and seeing the female's desperation and saying, oh my gosh, all I ever wanted to do is help people. And now it's ending up biting me big time. So my last question for you is do you think that any witches that are thinking of past life regression, you gave me a nice tribute there, but do you think that it would be helpful in their practice in any way to think about their past lives and what it could possibly mean to their practices or their spirituality in general? I know a lot of people don't put those two together.

SPEAKER_02: 42:01

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think witchcraft, witchcraft is a practice and it is a right, a path that can take you deeper into energetics and how to use energy, how to understand energy, how how to be a better animist about things. And so knowing your past and the past lives that you've gone through is gonna make you a better witch because it's gonna help you understand how you've related to energy in the past. It's gonna help you know why you're because shadow work is a huge part of witchcraft. So when you do shadow work, you're looking at the parts of yourself that are maybe hard to shine light on. Maybe you don't like looking at them, maybe you don't like remembering them. For those who read tarot, the devil card, that is the card that asks us, hey, what's that thing in the dark you're afraid of? Because it's time to bring it into the light. Shine the flashlight, turn around, shine the flashlight on it. Let's see what's really going on here. And what better talk about turning around and shining the light. We're turning around and looking at who we used to be in a really deep sense of the word. You know, we talk about the phases of our lives and the people we used to be in this life, you know. Oh, when I was in college, I was this way, blah, blah, blah. When I was in high school, this was me, but I can't relate to that person anymore. But we can, and we can always relate even deeper to our past selves through an exploration of past lives. And it's it's not to just like any shadow work. I think past lives are part of shadow work. That's how I see them. They're an exploration of the deep parts of the self. And I think with any shadow work journey, any past life regression that you're interested in doing, you need to trust, deeply trust to the person facilitating it for you and working through it with you. And that is why I cannot more than even like words cannot begin to be formed to describe how much I recommend you as that professional.

SPEAKER_00: 44:02

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02: 44:03

Truly, I would never do it with another person in my life. If I ever fail the call to do another one, I will just ask you.

SPEAKER_01: 44:10

Thank you. No, I I I do appreciate that. And I think it is important, especially for people who think they may lose control, to know that someone has been trusted to do these with other people who have come out on the other end in one piece.

SPEAKER_02: 44:29

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 44:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 44:30

And it's not, it's nothing new. The feelings you will feel in there are nothing you've never felt before. That's the reality. You might have never let yourself fully feel them before. And I encourage you to let yourself fully feel those things. And QHHT is an exploration of that in a safe container held by a safe practiced professional that you can trust. So there's no better place to feel those emotions.

SPEAKER_01: 44:59

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_02: 45:04

I appreciate you so much. I'm so grateful for that experience. It helped me so much. Like it helped my husband as well. He still identifies as an atheist, but he's an animist. So I've tried to explain to him that there's a bit of an oxymoron going on there, but we're getting there, we're getting there. He knew as these spirit baby things were happening, I was telling him each time. And so he's been opening himself up more and more to who she is and that she's coming. And he'll even say, Oh, don't forget when so-and-so's here. Well, we even have a name, we have everything. And I he's more ready than I am, to be honest. And so him hearing all this, I was like, Are you ready for the most woo-woo out there, crazy revelation about this spirit baby ever? He was like, Let's hear it. And I told him that day, I actually told him with Megan. I told him that day we went to Abby Berger and Haverty Grace, and he's like, So, who was your grandmother? Can you help me understand more? That was the other thing, is we think that she was also because my grandmother died when I was young, and I had this deep pain about it. Like it was a really different pain. And when I was in the past life regression, I realized it was the same pain that I had when my great-grandmother died. And guess what? I named her. I was the on the oldest great-grandchild, Nanny. Really? And every time I've tried to reach her in ancestor journeys, I'm good at this stuff. Knock on wood. I toot my own word on that. I can usually get through to the ancestors when I want to, especially in a big ritual at Salwin. And she has never come through. Every time I've tried to get her to come through, one time she literally showed up just to be like, stop calling at this number and then left. And I've always thought that was so weird. And I chalked it up to her maybe having reincarnated and she's too busy doing whatever the new life is. Also, her children in this life, my grandmother and her three boys. Two of them are still alive. Two of them have passed on. And the way they passed on was really tragic. And the two that are still alive are living very tragic lives. And so I thought maybe she's too sad about the way this family turned out in this life to want to visit. But now I think it's because she doesn't want to cross my wires if she's coming back as my daughter. She wants to just keep that relationship to what it's supposed to be later.

SPEAKER_01: 47:17

How so yeah. And the thing is, the love that you had for both of those individuals, either in a past life, just innately in your heart, is the very thing that you and I were talking about earlier. About that feeling you can't explain happens once you have a child. And then to feel like this individual is an old soul that I have known forever is amazing. Oh, I am so excited for you if and when the time is right. But the cool thing is, and I think you've made it poignantly clear, which is that connection never leaves, whether it is embodied in a little person or just there with you to visit and give you the guidance and the connection you need. It's just right there. How amazing.

SPEAKER_02: 48:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 48:11

Well, yeah, it is. It's really, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 48:14

I and I think that's what I never was expecting about a past life regression is how helpful that could be. Like how that could answer those. You won't know how it will help you, but it will help you.

SPEAKER_01: 48:26

It's a good point. You never know what it is you need into what happens. And that's the whole point behind QHT, anyway, is to say let your subconscious lead the way. Well done, Elise. You know what? I'd regress her all over again.

SPEAKER_02: 48:43

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was it was intense. Like, I definitely think anybody who's like, oh, I'll get one every week, like, no, you won't. That's not good. But maybe routine every seven or eight years, or every year, or I don't know. It depends on your life, you know. I I can't say enough how impactful it is. Very powerful.

SPEAKER_01: 49:02

I appreciate you. And I appreciate you coming on and talking with me and spending so much time with me today. Thank you, my friends. Thank you. Have a great, beautiful rest of your day. Yep. You too. Talk soon. Bye-bye. This concludes this episode of Past Lives Cafe Podcast with Elise Wells. If you would like to contact Elise, this information will be in the show notes. If you or someone you know would like to discuss a past life experience on this podcast, please reach out to me at Keoni at Quantum Journeygo.com. The enchantment continues on the Mystical Mermaid Lounge podcast that I co-host with Chloe Brown, a welcome space where we nourish the souls of all spiritual seekers. And remember, while we can't relive the past, together we can heal it. Thank you so much for listening. If you are interested in my services, visit me at www.quantumjourneygo.com or drop me a note at PastLivesCafe.buzzspraft.com. Stay well and be present.